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The reason why we don't worship Jesus 17 Apr 2012 21:27 #5741

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Now don't get me wrong by the title of this thread. We all love and adore Jesus, as he is our older brother and, in addition, we honor him as he is our leader and the Master of the Celestial Heavens. Several of us have been so extremely lucky to have either seen him as a spirit, felt his powerful presence and received his love, heard him speak to us, and/or received from him automatic writing messages.

In Jesus' teachings, he specifically wrote to James E. Padgett that we are not to worship him as God. In this message to her husband, Helen Padgett wrote the following on Christmas Eve, December 25, 1914:

"On this Christmas Eve, we rejoice that the people all believe that Jesus has risen from the dead. He is now in the higher home waiting for the worship of the people of him to end, as he does not enjoy the worship. He wants the people to worship God and God alone.

He is not very happy when they worship him, for he says that he is only a son of his Father and that they should not worship him as God. He does not believe that he is worthy of such adoration and he is not pleased at it. So you must love him and not worship him, for he will not love you so much as he does now if you do.

What I tell you is true, for he has said it himself; and you must believe it to be true."

Read more here: Helen's Message on Christmas Eve that Jesus is Not God and He Doesn't Want People to Worship Him

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Re:The reason why we don't worship Jesus 09 May 2012 08:07 #5759

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Yes thank you Joan for bringing up this subject.

I have never believed that Jesus is God. Even when I went to catechism at the Catholic Church as a young child I always believed that Jesus was the son of God - distinctly separate.

It is also so very clear to me when I have read the Bible that Jesus is the son of the Father. My soul just "knew" and that is why when I first started to read the Padgett messages, I experienced an automatic connection to the Father that he was overjoyed that I had found the truth.

I do love Jesus and so very thankful that he has tried and continues to work so very hard to show mortals the way to the truth of God's Divine Love. Like Al stated, our souls simply "know" that God is always there for us - always there when we need him.

Often when I pray to God I will sprinkle in a "thank you Jesus".
John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again”

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Re:The reason why we don't worship Jesus 28 Jul 2012 16:15 #5813

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Here is another really great message from Jesus. He explains that if he was God, he wouldn't be able to communicate with mortals in the way that he does with Mr. Padgett:

"When I lived on earth men did not believe that I was a God, or that I was anything more than a teacher of God's truths, possessed of wonderful powers - not then so well understood as they are now since men have comprehended to a limited extent the possibility of the spirit forms operating through the material world; that is, the spirits of men - and the mortals of the other - have the power to communicate with one another, and that the powers possessed by the spirits, which are almost unlimited may, to a certain extent, be conferred upon and exercised by men. This intercommunication and possession of powers, and the conferring thereof on men, was not so well understood when I was on earth as they are now.

I, by reason of my soul development and my knowledge of spiritual things, was able to exercise these powers to an extent that made the people of my time suppose that I was the only Son of God, possessed of many of His powers and attributes; and as a matter of fact, I was possessed of these powers and attributes, but I was only a mortal when on earth, and only a spirit after I passed from the earth to the spiritual life.

Of course, my development of the soul qualities were such as to enable me to do many things on earth which no other mortal could do, and after I became a spirit to obtain a position in the spirit world that no other spirit had obtained. Yet I am only a spirit, a highly developed one, possessing more knowledge of God's truths and having more soul development than any other spirit.

If I were God, or a part of God, I would be something more than the mere spirit that I am, and my position would be such that I could not or would not communicate with you in the manner that I do. But I am only a spirit having the same form and means of communicating with the mortals of earth that other spirits have, only to a greater degree. I am not doing that which should be surprising to mankind. My home, of course, is in a sphere far above that of the earth sphere, and my condition of development is far greater than that of any other spirit, and I am not of the earth in any particular, yet, my powers are correspondingly great and my ability to communicate is in accordance with my powers and knowledge."

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Re:The reason why we don't worship Jesus 09 Aug 2012 21:15 #5817

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The following is an excerpt of a message from Martin Luther who wrote through Mr. Padgett on July 6, 1915. As a spirit, he learned about the real truth of the New Birth and at the time of this writing, he was a Celestial Spirit residing in the Second Celestial Sphere.

"Well, I have regretted so very much that my followers, believing in my teachings, worship Jesus as God. Oh, the great error of this belief and how much injury it has done and is now doing to men and spirits! But, thank God, I see the truth breaking into the consciences and minds of many of my followers, and I hope the time is not far distant when this great heresy will no longer be believed.

And the other false doctrine, which is common to all the orthodox churches has caused much unhappiness and infidelity and disappointment both in the mortal world and in the spirit world, that is, that Jesus' blood saves from sin or that he made a vicarious sacrifice to appease the wrath of an angry God, and thereby removed from men the penalties and burdens of their sins. This false doctrine has caused more men to lose their soul development and rest secure in a false belief that they were saved from sin and immune from punishment, than has any dogma taught by the churches.

No blood, no death on the cross and no vicarious atonement saves a man from his sins and the resultant expiations, but Love, the Divine Love of the Father, which Jesus brought to the world and declared the way in which it might be obtained, and that it is free for all the Father's children, saves from sin both on earth and the spirit world."

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Re:The reason why we don't worship Jesus 15 Aug 2012 04:58 #5821

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Jesus writes again to Mr. Padgett that he wasn't part of the "so-called Godhead" and explains how it was that he was able to perform miracles. The full message is here .

"The Bible expression that belief in my name is sufficient to cause the workings of miracles is all wrong, and I never said that such belief was what was required. Neither did I say that whatsoever should be asked of the Father in my name would be given to men.

I was not a part of the so-called "godhead" and I had not, of myself, any power; and neither did my name have any miraculous influence with the Father. I was a man as other men are men, only I had become filled with the Divine Love of the Father, which made me at-one with Him. And consequently I had that knowledge of His Love and laws that enabled me to bring into operation those laws that would cause the desired effects to appear as realities. But belief in my name caused no working of these laws, and brought no response of the Father to any supplications....

My name is not a mediator between God and man, and neither is belief in me, Jesus, a means to reach the responsive Soul of the Father. If men will understand my teachings of Truth, and when they ask in my name, mean that they ask in the name of these Truths, then such asking will have its results. But so few men have such intention, or understanding, when they pray to the Father in my name."

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Re:The reason why we don't worship Jesus 18 Oct 2012 17:43 #5891

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As we learn from reading the hundreds of messages received by James E. Padgett, Jesus' disciples were very interested in the work of the Master here on earth. In this message from St. Paul, he refutes the assertion that Jesus was God or that his blood saves man from sin. Here's an excerpt of that message given to Mr. Padgett on August 20, 1915:

"Jesus did not save men by his death or sacrifice and, as I am informed now and learned when on earth, he never claimed that his blood or sacrifice saved men. And I hardly see how that could be so, because the blood did not have any efficacy to affect the condition or spiritual development of men, and his death could not help men to become redeemed from any condition of evil or defilement that they might be in and, hence, there can be no possible connection between his blood or sacrifice and the condition of men, whether good or bad.

I know that it is claimed that the blood of Jesus tended to appease the wrath of God towards men as did his death, but this presupposes that God had a wrath against men and that only blood and death could satisfy it. What a barbarous assumption!

God was never a God of wrath, but always of Love, and men can come to Him in reconciliation through Love only, and not through any sacrifice.

Jesus never taught this doctrine of sacrifice and does not now, but repudiates it and says that it is a doctrine that is doing his cause and the salvation of mankind a great harm. "

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