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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 26 Jul 2011 21:52 #4724

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In this message from Luke to James E. Padgett, he's very clear that the Bible has had countless changes:

"I was with you at the lecture of the preacher on the subject, and was surprised that he could announce with such apparent confidence that the Bible is the authentic Word of God, actually written by the men whose names appear therein as the writers of the same. The fact that he traced back the existence of certain manuscripts and versions to a hundred and fifty years subsequent to the time of the teachings of Jesus did not establish the truth of his declaration that, by such fact, the authenticity of the Bible, or the genuineness of the manuscripts as they now exist, was proved.

Neither is it true that John's life was prolonged to the end of the first century in order that he might write the true declarations of the eternal Truths, as declared by Jesus. For John did not live until that time, and his writings were not preserved as he had formulated them. Nor were the results of his declarations transmitted truthfully, as claimed by those who teach the inviolability of the Scriptures.

I was a writer upon these sacred subjects, and as I have told you before, I wrote a document which was called "Acts of the Apostles"; and I left a number of copies of my writings when I died. But such compilation was merely a history of what I had heard from those who had lived with and heard the teachings of Jesus, and who had described their efforts to circulate and teach his doctrines after his death."

Countless Changes Have Been Made in the Copying and Recopying of the Original Manuscripts Left by the Disciples and Apostles of Jesus

Another message from Luke:

"I know that in some of the Gospels, as now contained in the Bible and adopted as canonical, it is said, in effect, that the Godhead consists of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost - these three are one - but such Gospels do not contain the truth in this respect and are not the same Gospels that were originally written. These original Gospels have been added to and taken from in the passing of the years and in the copying and the recopying that occurred before the adoption of the same.

The mystery of the Godhead, three in one is a myth. There is no mystery that men should not know

A message from Jesus:

"But my spiritual teachings that show the Way to the Celestial Kingdom were not so well understood by my hearers - and not even by my intimate disciples, but more so by John; consequently they were not preserved in the Bible as were my moral teachings. And, as to the Bible, the original manuscripts were not written until many years after my death, and even in these manuscripts not many of my teachings as to the Way that leads to this Celestial Kingdom were contained. And afterwards, when these manuscripts were copied and the copies recopied, these important Truths were not preserved - scarcely any - although the fundamental ones, namely: "God is Love," and "except a man be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven," were retained.

As time went by, and the recopying continued, fewer and fewer of my precepts were preserved, and men came to know less and less of these higher Truths. Consequently the mere moral teachings became better understood, and these were used by the teachers and instructors of the masses to lead men to the Spiritual Kingdom of God."

The Kingdom of the Perfect Natural Man - the Spiritual Heavens

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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 30 Jul 2011 23:19 #4756

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Following is some information that I found about contradictions in the Bible. I believe that some of this is taken out of context, however it is still an interesting read...

THEOLOGICAL DOCTRINES

1. GOD IS SATISFIED WITH HIS WORKS.

And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good. (Gen. 1:31.)

GOD IS DISSATISFIED WITH HIS WORKS.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (Gen. 6:6.)

2. GOD DWELLS IN CHOSEN TEMPLES.

And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him: I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for a house of sacrifice. . . . For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there perpetually. (2 Chron. 7:12, 16.)

GOD DWELLS NOT IN TEMPLES.

Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands. (Acts 7:48.)

3. GOD DWELLS IN LIGHT.

Dwelling in light which no man can approach unto. (1 Tim. 6:16.)

GOD DWELLS IN DARKNESS.

The Lord said he would dwell in thick darkness. (1 Kings 8:12.)
He made darkness his secret place. (Ps. 18:11.)
Clouds and darkness are round about him. (Ps. 97:2.)

4. GOD IS SEEN AND HEARD.

And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts. (Ex. 33:23.)
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. (Ex. 33:11.)
And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid. (Gen. 3:9, 10.)
For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen. 32:30.)
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up. (Is. 6:1.)
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel. . . . They saw God, and did eat and drink. (Ex. 24:9, 10, 11.)

GOD IS INVISIBLE AND CANNOT BE HEARD.

No man hath seen God at any time. (John 1:18.)
Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37.)
And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live. (Ex. 33:20.)
Whom no man hath seen nor can see. (1 Tim. 6:16.)

5. GOD IS TIRED AND RESTS.

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. (Ex. 31:17.)
I am weary with repenting. (Jer. 15:6.)

GOD IS NEVER TIRED AND NEVER RESTS.

Hast thou not heard that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? (Is. 40:28.)

6. GOD IS EVERYWHERE PRESENT, SEES AND KNOWS ALL THINGS.

The eyes of the Lord are in every place. (Prov. 15:3.)
Whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. (Ps. 139:7-10.)
There is no darkness nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves. For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. (Job 34:22, 21.)

GOD IS NOT EVERYWHERE PRESENT, NEITHER SEES NOR KNOWS ALL THINGS.

And the Lord came down to see the city and the town. (Gen. 11:5.)
And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and, if not, I will know. (Gen. 18:20, 21.)
And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord, amongst the trees of the garden. (Gen. 3:8.)

7. GOD KNOWS THE HEARTS OF MEN.

Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men. (Acts 1:24.)
Thou knowest my down-sitting and mine up-rising; thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. (Ps. 139:2, 3.)

GOD TRIES MEN TO FIND OUT WHAT IS IN THEIR HEARTS.

The Lord, your God, proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deut. 13:3.)
The Lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart. (Deut. 8:2.)
For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing that thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from me. (Gen. 22:12.)

8. GOD IS ALL-POWERFUL.

Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is there anything too hard for me? (Jer. 32:27.)
With God all things are possible. (Matt. 19:26.)

GOD IS NOT ALL-POWERFUL.

And the Lord was with Judah, and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Judg. 1:19.)

9. GOD IS UNCHANGEABLE.

With whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (James 1:17.)
For I am the Lord; I change not. (Mal. 3:6.)
I, the Lord, have spoken it; it shall come to pass, and I will do it. I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent. (Ezek. 24:14.)
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Num. 23:19.)

GOD IS CHANGEABLE.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (Gen. 6:6.)
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil that he had said he would do unto them, and he did it not. (Jonah 3:10.)
Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said, indeed, that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me forever; but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me. . . . Behold, the days come that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house. (1 Sam. 2:30, 31.)
In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah, the son of Amoz, came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, set thy house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live. . . . And it came to pass afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, Turn again and tell Hezekiah, the captain of my people, thus saith the Lord, . . . . I have heard thy prayer, . . . and I will add unto thy days, fifteen years. (2 Kings 20:1, 4, 5, 6.)
And the Lord said unto Moses, Depart and go up hence, thou and the people. . . . For I will not go up in the midst of thee. . . . And the Lord said, I will do this thing, also, that thou hast spoken. . . . My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest. (Ex. 33:1, 3, 17, 14.)

10. GOD IS JUST AND IMPARTIAL.

The Lord is upright, . . . and there is no unrighteousness in him. (Ps. 92:15.)
Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? (Gen. 18:25.)
A God of truth, and without iniquity, just and right is he. (Deut. 32:4.)
There is no respect of persons with God. (Rom. 2:11.)
Ye say the way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; is not my way equal? (Ezek. 18:25.)

GOD IS UNJUST AND PARTIAL.

Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (Gen. 9:25.)
For I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. (Ex. 20:5.)
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election, might stand, . . . it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. (Rom. 9:11, 12, 13.)
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (Matt. 13:12.)

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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 31 Jul 2011 11:28 #4760

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Hi Michael,
I see you have copied this very long article from an atheist website.
Most people understand that there are contradictions in the bible and most likely so do most bible believers, but if this turns into a crusade against these people then how can we help them towards the truth that are in the messages we promote?

The evil ones agenda is having people pit themselves in battle against other people, this goes for religions, political groups, families and the list goes on and on, I personally am holding a hand out to all people that want the truth and even those who don't.
Even though these truths we promote may cause problems with some, they are the truths and the fact is that if people read these messages they will be all the better for it, not only in this world, but the next, and I may say, especially the next.

Love, peace and truth to all, even though some may fight the truth, we are all children of God and it is God that we must approach to confirm in our souls His great gift for those that seek it.

Love, Ian

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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 31 Jul 2011 18:03 #4764

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I hope this wasn't against any forum rules to post this. I actually found this at the Sacred Texts website. My intentions is what this thread says, to show error in the bible. I am totally on board with teaching Jesus' messages to anyone that will listen. I have learned that sometimes if you can show that there are errors in something you believe in, then it may be easier to receive the truth.

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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 31 Jul 2011 19:47 #4773

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I googled one of the titles and this website came up on the first page. godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Contradictions.htm
I'm sure they found it entertaining.

I agree that errors should be brought forth and exposed, they did it in the messages we read, but this was not the main objective, it was the inevitable clash between the bible texts and the promoters of this book that maintain that they have the truth and also forbid anyone to question the authority which these peers gave to this book, and the truth that Jesus taught!

I did thoroughly read the bible from cover to cover about twenty five years ago, I also re-read specific texts over the course of about a year, I think I know why people hold onto the bible as the source of truth even though they may shudder at some of the things this book contains, especially in the old testament, and going from how I felt after reading it, which was a kind of strange fear, the fear to believe it just in case, although this didn't last long and my search for truth continued, I do feel that many who have been brought up on this book may not be aware over what it has done to them.

I also think that there are a lot of good things in the bible and many truths, but on the whole it creates fear and maybe even confusion in the person that believes it totally.

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Re:The truth and errors in the Bible. 31 Jul 2011 20:19 #4774

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I agree that there is many truths and good from the Bible, many people just do not understand how to decipher the messages within. I read a book recently that I think has helped me in understanding this. It is "The Mystery Teaching Of The Bible" by Daisy E. Grove. She explains the hidden messages and meanings in 126 pages that really opened up my eyes. After reading that book I can understand how so much of the bible is miss-interpreted and used to whoever is quoting, or misquoting's advantage.

Taking that into consideration and relaying what the Padgett messages tell us, I can see the big picture of what Jesus is painting for us. In some ways it is so simple that I cannot believe others cannot understand this. Everyone receives and interprets things differently.

I recently met a man that was a firm Baptist. I tried to relay to him about the 1750 known translation mistakes and how the Bible cannot be taken as absolute and only a general guide. I started to explain the Padgett messages. Every time I mentioned something Jesus said he quoted something from the Bible to counter it. He was offended that I told him Mary wasn't a virgin. I said I respected him for his beliefs and said told me he didn't respect me and that I was way off, so I left. Now how do you talk to people when they are that closed minded?

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